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Episode 5: Featuring Tyler McCulloch!

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Bulldogs in the Buggy continues with President Father Jim and our newest guest, Tyler McCulloch ’26. In this episode, Tyler shares his DeSales story and reflects on resilience in the face of adversity. A triple major in TV/Film, Business Administration, and Marketing, Tyler also brings the drive of a track student-athlete to everything he does on and off the field.

Filmed on campus in the DeSales Virtual Production Studio.

SPEAKER_02

I am ready to pick up another student for another episode of Bulldogs in the Buggy. Our student's name is Tyler McCollow, and I know you're going to be impressed and inspired by this young man's story today. I'm pulling into the DeSales University Center parking lot where we're going to pick Tyler up and then we're going to swing by the track because he is on the track and field team, one of his favorite places on campus. And then we're going to head over to the virtual production studio for our interview. So hold on and look forward to this great interview. Tyler, how are you, my friend? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing well. Good to see you. Sorry. It's raining out. I'm not getting out. How's it going? It's good. It's great to see you. I was just telling everybody that we're in another episode of Bulldogs in the Buggy. So why don't you introduce yourself to our audience?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I'm Tyler McCulloch. I am a track athlete here at the sales. I'm going on three majors now. I have business administration, TV film, and soon to be marketing. I actually just applied yesterday. It's the major.

SPEAKER_02

So now people are probably going to be absolutely stunned that someone can have three majors. How did you pull this one off?

SPEAKER_01

Uh so I wanted a double major for my TV film. I went to business administration. All right. And I just liked it a lot. Okay. And then I was looking at the potential jobs I can get, and I saw a third might help me out. So I uh looked at the requirements. I saw I only needed a couple extra classes, and I thought I might as well do it. So I just apply now.

SPEAKER_02

That's great. And we're going to talk about that more when we get in the studio. Okay. But for now, you know, I just let everyone know that we are riding around campus. So we're leaving the the Sales University Center parking lot and we're heading over to what I hear is your favorite spot on campus, which is the track.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And you did say that you are a track star, and I believe I don't know if I'm a star. I think you are. And uh so we're gonna pull in over here, but tell me about um your love of track and field.

SPEAKER_01

Um, well, my love started for it, I think high school. Yeah, see freshman year of high school. Okay. I only ran it because my one friend, his mom wanted him to run it. He was a fast guy. Okay. And he promised his mom he would join the track team if he got a PlayStation gift card. Seriously. Yeah. And he said, Tyler, I don't want to do it. I said, I'll do it with you. And I ran just thinking I would hate it. And I loved it. And it turned out to be my main sport. So now I'm here. That's great.

SPEAKER_02

Well, here we are, we're pulling in here. And again, it is a great spot to be on our campus. Uh and tell me about like what exactly do you do as a track star? What is your like what is your run?

SPEAKER_01

Do you do the mile relay or sprint or what? I sprint, I do anything up until the 400. So I do 400, 200, 100, 60 meter. All right. All the short stuff. No hurdles, I don't jump over things.

SPEAKER_02

Stop me. Okay. That's awesome. And you know, we're gonna talk about um some of the challenges you've had recently. So you haven't really been working out as much with the team. Yeah, but it seems to me that you're there all the time anyway, right? I'm whenever I can be, I'm there. Whenever you can be. And you have a wonderful um set of friends on that team, don't you? They I do. They're great teammates and friends. And friends. And here at DeSales University, I say often, it is a wonderful place to get an academic trainee, but it's also a great place to find friends for life. I agree. And tell me more about that, about some of the friends you have and all those good things.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I would um like to start out by this last fall semester when I was diagnosed with cancer. A lot of my good friends on the track team who I've known for years were all very supportive, came to the hospital, saw me. Coach Alex came too, Coach Pyle came. All right. So everyone was very supportive, but what surprised me most was my uh the freshmen, the new people on the team. Wow, they knew me for maybe a week and they buzzed their heads for me once I lost all my hair. So it just shows the the people we attract to this university, I would say.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely. And I think I was there in the hospital that day when they all Yeah, you were, you were. Yes, and um I was very impressed, and I know that most of the people there over there at Lehigh Valley was Cedar Crest campus, wasn't it? Uh they were equally impressed. So, you know, going back, and we're gonna discuss that when we get in the studio, that has been uh a challenge that no college student would ever think you would have to wrestle with. And we're gonna talk about your resilience and how well you've dealt with that. But you mentioned Coach Wiener. Yeah. Um, someone said one time he's the GOAT, the greatest about time. So let's talk about Coach Wiener. Yeah, let's talk about so what's what's so special about this guy? Because he's, you know, a lot of track people say the same thing you just said.

SPEAKER_01

I I think he's just a personality and it attracts a lot of people. It's easier to bond with him as a a coach and a person, I would say, because he's just personable. He'll jets around Dr. Sarah Holzkopf. Did you have her for theology? No, I haven't. Okay, I had I had Professor Schultz or Dr. Schultz. Yeah, Dr. Schultz. Yeah. Dr. Schultz. Sorry for interrupting. No, it's okay. Um, yeah, but Coach Allen's a great guy. He's very friendly, he jokes around and kind of you know plays with the line having fun with you. And I think it's it's very important that you see him as respect him as a coach, but you can also have those moments where you're friendly with him. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02

And now with the challenge of cancer, you know, seeing what he's done with the team and visiting you, that means it's really another special bonding that you have.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, and he's reached out many times. I'll text him like a week before and say, Hey, I have an appointment this day. It's gonna be a big news. And okay. He'll text me the same day I told him I was gonna have the appointment. He'll ask how it went. So beautiful. Yeah, it doesn't even need a reminder or anything.

SPEAKER_02

So, Tyler, not to cut you off, here we are, we're at Labuda Center, and at the back of Labuda is the new virtual production studio. So, since you, one of your three majors, is TV film, yeah, you know a lot about this studio. Yeah, I've been here quite a bit. Did you ever think that you would be like uh sitting there and become a star? I know. Never result of Bulldogs in the buggy?

SPEAKER_01

Never my wildest dreams now.

SPEAKER_02

Well, here you go. So this is just gonna add to one of the many of the things that you are gonna remember about your career here at DeSales University. So without further ado, let's go into the studio, my dogs. So, Tyler, here we are in the virtual production studio. And I know as a TV film major, you've been in here many times, but have you ever been a guest on a worldwide production of Bulldogs in the Buggy? Never a guest, no. How does it feel to be sitting in here under the lights? It's pretty unique, you know. Pretty unique. Yeah, usually on that side of the light, not this side. Okay. So we're now going to spend a lot of time talking about you and your story and your life. So let's hit it, okay? So here is a great picture that you share with me, and I kind of love it because it's yours truly. This is at a very cold track meet in the spring last year, right? Yeah, yeah. So tell us about what's going on here.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, here, this is our annual home meet we have. Okay. And it's one a year, and it's always the rainiest, coldest day you could possibly find. Okay. Uh, this is right after I finished my race. I just cooled down, and you came up with me to ask me about the events going on, and I explained all the events to you. And then we just talked for like I think 30 minutes to an hour, and there's about 4,000 photos of us talking there.

SPEAKER_02

So well, one of the things that uh I I I'm so proud of is that I met you and your dad when you were senior in high school. Yeah. I think it was an open house, and you know, I was hanging in the duck, and you guys were coming in, I think, to get some lunch.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And your dad is a professor here. You want to tell us about your father?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, my dad is um a criminal justice professor here, and he also runs the crime lab in dueling. Okay. So he has both of those.

SPEAKER_02

And the crime lab is the Petz Hole Crime Lab, which is basically run by the Lehigh County District Attorney's Office, is that right? Or and uh what happens in the crime scene lab?

SPEAKER_01

So the lab handles all the virtual crime, so all the stuff that goes on that's not you know physical, like police respond to call, from what I understand, is um it goes into my dad, they investigate and they get the evidence, gather it, take it to court. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Now, did your dad kind of put subtle pressure on you to come here to DeSales University?

SPEAKER_01

He mentioned it. He never really my dad never pressured me for anything, actually. It was very, very loose in whatever I wanted to do. All right. So I had no idea where I wanted to go to college. And and I came here that day with you, you talked to me. I knew I wanted to do film at that point. Okay. So I mentioned that to you, and you were telling me, oh, we have a great film program, it's fantastic here. And I I didn't know you as well as I do now. And I thought this is the president of the university trying to sell me a school. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, you did though, because I looked it up and I believed every word you said, and it turns out you were 100% right if everything was fantastic.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, that's great. And I I I love this place. You know, I'm an alum. I graduated in '84, and you're going to be graduating soon. So um, let's talk a little bit more about your career here with the track team. This is an awesome photo. Tell us what you're doing there. Was there an eject button on that starter or something like that?

SPEAKER_01

Well, this is actually the last race I ran last year, and it's a really uh monumental race for me because this is the race, last race I ran before I realized I had cancer. Okay. And all season long I noticed I couldn't breathe as much and that there was something wrong with me. I thought I was out of shape. I kept running harder, working harder. And in this race, it's the four by four. So we're running 400 meters, full laund, hand the baton, next person goes. All right. So I ran my first, I was the first person. I ran the first 400 and I did it in 48 seconds, 48.2, which is the best I've ever done. And I was completely tired. I passed out after, but then I found out why I was so tired is because I had 45% lung capacity. That was it. Wow. So I ran that with one lung and I finished first in the whole uh heat for me, the first leg. Wow.

SPEAKER_02

Well, Tyler, I can't imagine what it's like to be um so in shape, such a vivacious young man, and to have to say the words, I found out I had cancer. And um, we're gonna talk a little bit about that, but the people that have helped you with this diagnosis are these people who are want to tell us about them?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so this is uh some of my teammates, not all of them. So here's um, this is our four by four that year, that same relay that I just mentioned. My teammates have been a huge support to me. They've constantly been with me. Uh, some of these guys here, uh we have two on the two of my left or my right there, or both sprinters, and the guy on my other side there, he's a distance guy, but he runs a lot with us. And the best thing about track is no matter what your event is, everybody comes in and becomes a family. Distance guys talk to you, throwers talk to you, everybody's connected. Every single event has checked up on me at least once or twice, maybe more, you know, and everyone supported me. That's great.

SPEAKER_02

Um, can you give us their names here? I think that will be. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So we got Bryce Bryce is here, Bryce Gutierre, and then we have Colin Marsh next to him, and then we have me, and then we have Joseph here.

SPEAKER_02

And it's like great teammates. Uh, Colin was in Rome this summer. I ran into him, uh, you know, studying for the summer. So hopefully you'll get a chance to do that at some point too. But I I wanted you to call them out because one of the things that has touched me so much about you uh are the friends that you have. Yeah. Because here you are in the hospital. This is Lehigh Valley Cedar Crest. Yeah. Um, and obviously what's going on there?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that way been like my first day or two. Okay. And I got a nice gift basket, it says get well soon. Uh that's when we didn't know what I had. We just knew I couldn't breathe. We knew I had one lung that was working, and we knew I had this large chest mass, about six to seven inches long in my chest.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So that's when I got all the support from everybody coming in, flooding in. That's when it all started. And I was in the hospital for 16 days and they finally diagnosed me with gray zone lymphoma.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. And so you were in the hospital, this was last spring, and you were last fall. Last fall, excuse me. Um, and it was a real touch and go time because I remember visiting you and it was so enervating because they weren't able to diagnose exactly what it was. And I'd like you to share with everyone, because I think, you know, um you're such a resilient young man and courageous and inspiring. Um, what was that like not to be able to have a diagnosis and it seemed to be taking forever? Well, tell us about that.

SPEAKER_01

So it's actually it's gonna sound interesting, but when they told me that I had cancer, it was almost a relief to me because I had no idea what it was. I knew there was something wrong, and the more I thought back, I realized there were side effects I didn't fully notice going back to even freshman year, late freshman year of college. I didn't know. So when they said cancer, it was almost a breath of fresh air that all my problems that I thought was just me complaining or being um excessive were really justified.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I and again, the fact that you said you were grateful that you had a diagnosis then, um, you certainly handled that really well. In fact, I would say extraordinarily well. Two of the people that helped you do it were your mom and dad. Yeah. And tell us about your mom and dad, because like I tell you, uh, you got rock star parents. I do. And um, I I think uh let's give them a big shout out, please. I would love to, yeah. Yeah. What what are they like for you?

SPEAKER_01

So they are definitely um the people who made me the person I am. It's just as simple as that. I thank them for everything they've taught me. My mom has been a monumental support as far as emotionally, and I never thought there was a single thing I couldn't tell her. Even when I did something wrong, I told her my dad the same way. And as long as much as they were loving, they were also they were um, they kept me in line to say, you know, and they did it in a way that never made me resent them or you know be upset with them. And I understood every single thing they taught me, and they've supported me all through this. They were there, my mom was there every single day, my dad was there whenever he could. My mom tried to even stay overnight some nights, and I tried to tell her you can't do that. Yeah. So yeah, they've been there 100% of the way. They call out work and they drive me places I need to go. They're truly the biggest support I could ever ask for.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they really are, and and thank God for them, right? There was another young woman that I would see there every time I went to visit you. Let's talk about your girlfriend.

SPEAKER_01

My girlfriend, yeah. Um, my girlfriend Avery has been there just as much as my parents. And we only started dating two months before my cancer diagnosis. Wow. Yeah. So it was quite the big jump. We've now been dating nine months as of yesterday.

SPEAKER_02

And Avery is also a student here. She is a student here on the track.

SPEAKER_01

What's her major? She's a biology major.

SPEAKER_02

She's a biology major and also runs track. She runs track.

SPEAKER_01

And what are her plans? Oh, now she wants to do the accelerated nursing program.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, at the sales, right? From my understanding, yes. We hope so. Let her know the Father Jim said ABSN at the sales. Okay. She'll hear it when she watches. Yeah, it's huh? Absolutely. She better be watching. Oh, she'll watch. So you've had such fabulous support, and you said you were in the hospital almost six weeks, correct? Um, I had 16 days per step. 16 days of but yeah, so and at the end of this, this is a photo. I think that this is really beautiful. Oh uh, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_01

So this is when I finished chemotherapy. Okay. Five months I had six cycles of chemotherapy. We were hoping that would be the end of it, but my pet scan just showed I still have more cancer, so I still have some more fighting to do. But this was the it was a good moment. We thought we were done. There was hope that we knew at least shrunk most of the cancer. So after you finish chemotherapy, you ring the bell, and that signifies you've you're done. So everyone lines up, nurses, patients, everyone there, they're all lined up to see you, and you ring the bell, and everyone celebrates. No one is upset. Even the patients there that have the full journey to go were all supportive and clapping. So it was really nice to see. And my whole family was allowed in, and it was really just a beautiful time. And that is your mom and dad there and Avery.

SPEAKER_02

Right. My mom, dad, Avery, and my brother Colin. Ah, that's great. I didn't meet Colin yet, but I've heard about him. Yeah. So um, and I noticed that uh there you don't have eyebrows, and today you do. So what's what's the story with that?

SPEAKER_01

You were saying you get a growth spurt after it seems like it, yeah. Okay. So the chemotherapy knocked out knocked out all my eyebrows. Okay. It progressively took my hair. The last two cycles, they increased the dosage. So my eyebrows totally fell out, all my hair fell out, leg hair, arm hair, everything was gone. And then a month after chemotherapy, uh, my hair follicles began to to grow and to wake up. So within three or four days, I shot up the eyebrows you see now, and I have fuzzies on my head. Okay. So yeah, it'll continue to grow until I uh get more treatment and it'll fall out again. But okay, that's the progress, you know, that's just how it goes.

SPEAKER_02

And then you'll have a mop of hair like you did in that first video. Yeah, I'll go back to that. I'm all for that, right? You said about, you know, waking up, cells waking up. Yeah. I think that is probably an apt metaphor for the way you've lived your life these past months with cancer. Like you are wide awake, you are not being a victim, um, you are determined to beat this. Where did you develop that attitude? I mean, some people take the victim attitude. Not once did you go down that road.

SPEAKER_01

I think it just uh came from how I was raised from both my parents. Um they taught me obviously to you know see the situation I'm in as a blessing. And it was hard to initially see that, but once I said it was a breath of fresh air, I realized that I was justified for my how I felt. But then the first day I went to the infusion center, the first day I got chemotherapy. I looked around and I saw everyone else and I saw the situation they were in, and I couldn't help but feel grateful that I was where I was and that I was as young as I am, and that I had the strength I have to fight.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And this is what you fought. I think this is a I'm glad you shared this with us. Yeah. Tell us about this photo.

SPEAKER_01

So this is my initial chest mass here. The black spots you see on the side are my lungs. The one over here on your side is the lung that was compressed by fluid. I had fluid built up that they had to drain out of me twice the first time I passed out because there was so much fluid leaving my body. So here you can actually see the lung again before it was not visible. And between those two black spots there is the chest mass. All that white there is the mass inside of me and all the tubes they had hooked up to me. But that was before I started treatment.

SPEAKER_02

Wow, and then this is after two cycles, I think. Yeah, after two cycles. Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's crazy. So it kind of looks like that part in the middle there is still the chest mass, but it's actually, those are my good stuff. That's my heart and everything. So there was no chest mass after two cycles.

SPEAKER_00

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

But the cancer still lingers in little bits, little pieces, and it multiplies quick and goes fast. And that's part of the problem with grazone lymphoma, is it's a mix of Hodgkin and non-Hodgkins. Okay. So it's you combine both of them.

SPEAKER_02

So it's a mix of non-Hodgkins and Hodgkin's? Yes. Okay. And and maybe it will be helpful to hear how you plan to address that. You you told me you're going to be going to Sloan Kettering? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I transferring over to Sloan Kettering. And when will you do that? As soon as possible. I go there tomorrow. They're doing a scan of my neck, just my neck. Okay. Because I have a cancerous lymph node in my neck that they plan to biopsy. Okay. And that will determine if I still have graysone lymphoma or if I just have Hodgkin or non-Hodgkins left. Okay. And that gives me the answer for the treatment that I'm going to be taking.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Well, I tell you, let's talk a little bit about uh your, I'm going to call it spirituality. And I think I want to tell everyone that uh I've been blessed to be in an independent study course with you. So you're taking the course Introduction to the Devout Life by St. Francis de Sales. He wrote the book and you have me as your instructor. And um we talked about it when you were in the hospital. It was a way for you to, you know, still be in school. And I was able to do it. The course that I teach on campus. And you've been reading about St. Francis de Sales. And we always reduce his spirituality to that beautiful um dictum to be who you are and be that well. So how have you learned in a profound way to be who you are and be that well in the midst of all this?

SPEAKER_01

I would say just listening to who you are and that you're more than just your body and the things you lose. I lost my hair and I lost a lot of my muscle mass I had, which I was very proud of. I'm a very dedicated athlete. So I began to think more internally to who I was as a person and value that more. And that showed me that's truly who I am. And I decided to be that as well as possible by supporting other people through this, even if it's my parents or family or friends, I support them as much as they support me through all this. Wow, that's just beautiful.

SPEAKER_02

Um, you're handling all of that on top of, as we talked about in the buggy, three majors. Like, how does this happen, Tyler? Like, how you how are you doing it?

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So

SPEAKER_01

Well my main thing here is I refuse to let this change my my life. So just yesterday or two days ago, I had my first appointment with some kettering, and they told me I had three months of chemo expected, and then they would do a stem cell transplant or a CAR T cell transplant. And from that, they basically nuke my system until I can't recover from the chemo. And then they replace my cells so I can survive the treatment more or less. And then they said it'll be an extended recovery after that, and I probably wouldn't be able to run track again in college. But I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure that I can run track. And they told me I would probably So you're not gonna follow the doctor's advice. I will, but I'll recover faster. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I love it. I love it. I I can just see you doing that. So that's that's that's that's wonderful.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. And for school, they told me I can finish the semester, but after that it might get a little hard. And I'll work with it, I'll recover, and I'll do whatever I have to do class-wise, but I'm not gonna alter my plan. I'm gonna continue with the three majors, I'm not gonna cut myself short because of the situation my body put me in.

SPEAKER_02

Wow. Um, that's just that's um inspiring. And how would you describe the three majors and the experience here? You you share with me that the professors here are fabulous, and um, which I love hearing. So tell us about your professors.

SPEAKER_01

So as far as film goes, I'll start with film because we're in the virtual production studio. Okay, everyone here has been amazing. I'm gonna say that about everybody, but they've been with me for four years now. They know me on a personal basis, they reached out. Some might visit me in the hospital, others have reached out to me on personal notes just saying, like, hey, how are you? Not even school related professors. I'm not even taking this semester, have reached out to me. Wow. So it's it's just great, really. The support they give you beyond the educational level is it just can't be replaced.

SPEAKER_02

That's great. And your latest major that you just added on is marketing. Marketing, yeah. So who's advising you in the marketing area?

SPEAKER_01

I'm not sure yet because applications go through. Okay, but for business administration, I have Dr. Gibski, she's my advisor. Okay. She's a wonderful person. That's Dr. Susan Givenskeeton. Yes. And why is she a wonderful advisor? Well, I mean, she's I had her for class last uh spring. It was my last semester. And she was a great teacher. I understood everything. She really helped me through it. And if I struggle with anything, she came up to me and actually asked me. She was like, Hey, do you need more help with this? Or what can we work on for this and make it better for you? And it really helped. Went through her advising meetings, and she actually went through all the progress from before or after that I have for graduation. I just met with her recently to talk about treatment and my potential third major. And she got sheets. We went through highlighters and highlighted everything I needed to do on her own time. We did it together. So she's just a wonderful person, she really is. That's great.

SPEAKER_02

And she's invited me to uh be a student in her class. So I've sat in and I think she's a fabulous professor, and I like the way she arranges the class with dialogue. And so once again, she's like, you know, the professors here. They're just they're great. Um, just thinking about winding this interview down, I have a few more questions. And one is what advice once you've beaten this cancer, you're on the other side, what advice do you give to to Sales University students to deal with whatever adversities they have? I mean, not many students will have a cancer diagnosis. So you you've gotten a whammy. But uh talk about dealing with adversity, because I think that's an important topic.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I would say it's just as simple as it is, try not to complicate it and don't be a victim, you know. You are in charge of your life, you create your own journey, you make the path. So whatever your life puts in front of you, you can overcome it. It's really just a step on the pathway, and there's a whole road ahead.

SPEAKER_02

And along with that, how has your faith and you know your belief, like your relationship with Jesus, how's that affected um where you are today and where you are with this cancer?

SPEAKER_01

I'd say if anything, it's only grown.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Because I I realize now um the blessings I do have. So I took an account for them and the the miracles I've also received along the way, like losing the chest mass and the two cycles and all the support I have and the friends I have. It's really been outstanding. And my my church at home, too. They reach out to me constantly, they pray for me every Sunday. So it's just only really brought me closer.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. That's beautiful. Um, just two more questions. What is your favorite part of being a student at the Sales University?

SPEAKER_01

Uh, by far, I think my favorite part is just the people. Okay. And that goes from students to professors to anyone, even the workers of the duck. Everyone's friendly. Uh every single person here. Everyone holds the door open. You know, everyone always says thank you. It's always, hey, how's your day? Like, like as I mentioned before, the track team shaved their heads a week after knowing me, and I've never had a single person that was rude to me here.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm really happy to hear that. And what has been the funniest thing that has taken place here for you at the sales?

SPEAKER_01

Oh man, uh, funniest thing. Oof, it's just gotta be yet again the people like you because you meet all sorts of them. You really do. Yeah, people you don't meet anywhere, they come from all over, you know. Like I have friends from New York, I have friends from Jersey, some from Florida, they come from everywhere, and these people show you different cultures, different ways of life, and it's just it's hysterical. I have a my roommate Joe is from New York, and he swears the best food on earth is from New York. And every time he eats something here, he's like, You gotta try New York, dude. That's right.

SPEAKER_02

And I enjoyed Joe because he brought me a New York bagel. Was it good? It was fantastic. There's nothing like a New York bagel. Um, well, let me kind of wrap up here, and I just want to say, and I think I'm speaking for your entire Sales University family here about how much we admire you, uh, we're praying for you, and you give us hope by the way you're dealing with this adversity. And it's not just because you have cancer, which you do, but it's because of your reaction to it, the way that you're not letting it define who you are, uh, the way that you are using it to grow, and the way that you are going to get on the other side of this and be who you are and be that well in a totally different way. But during this time here at DeSales, you have certainly been a role model uh for this community. So, Tyler McCulloch, thank you so much for being my guest today. And um, any words of advice before we close?

SPEAKER_01

Just stay true to yourself and don't be a victim of your situations. Amen, my brother. Thank you. Thank you. God bless you.